>> people like to be with a winner so they can be 5% for jill stein and the green party or 5% for gary johnson and the libertarian party. but you go into the booth. that shrinks, as you say. the system is rigged and people know that only one of the two big guys will win. it's a winner take all situation. huge money. huge ads on the side of the big guys and the little guys can't even get a chance to have a chance because they are shut out of the debates which are rationed to three by a corporation created by the republican democratic parties back in 1987 to make sure that no competitors reach tens of millions of people through these debates. >> yeah. i saw a prominent business leader challenge either the president or the governor if they are elected or re-elected to basically renounce party affiliation, caucus with whichever side they like but take an official independent stance. how would that change the calculus in this country? >> i think that's a prediction that might come true in 2016. three-way, four-way race. the bloomberg types. there are a lot of billionaires saying, why not? w